0392 pc327 You Call These Founding Fathers?

0392 pc327 You Call These Founding Fathers?

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Bad Quaker Podcast
With Ben Stone BadQuakerLogo612x620

Ben takes a good hard look at the “Founding Fathers” and the coup d’état that installed “constitutional government” upon the people of America.

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5 Responses to 0392 pc327 You Call These Founding Fathers?

  1. Chris says:

    Just discovered your podcast a few weeks ago and have been listening to the new episodes as well as trying to go back and listen to some of the past episodes. This was a great one! I often get into discussions (an outside observer might call them arguments) with folks who call themselves “christian constitutionalists”. As a small “l” libertarian, I thought I would agree with a lot of what they had to say – turns out that’s not the case. Seems we have a different view of both Christianity and the constitution.

    You mentioned near the end that revolution is not the answer and that you have covered the answer in depth previously – if I were to pick one or two episodes to understand what you think the answer is, which ones would you recommend?

    Enjoy the rest of your trip home – understand completely the lure of staying on the road.

  2. Rick says:

    Great podcast. What are the sources for this information about the Founding Lawyers?

    • Bad Quaker says:

      Whenever I look at history I try to use a method, more than a source. I start by rejecting the basic stuff that governments and their puppet historians always try to push. (great man theory, government is by the consent of the governed, government is good, democracy is good, humans are bad unless restricted, etc) I try to find moments when people changed their minds about something and I try to figure out why they did that and what actions they took as a result. In this case, I remembered a while back when I was reading the letters of Thomas Jefferson (at loc.gov, the Library of Congress web site) and I remembered how his letters to Washington changed over the years. I wanted to figure out when and why Washington changed his mind about supporting a strong federal government. So I began by going back to loc.gov and looking at Washington’s letters. I could see that Hamilton was likely the strongest influence on Washington and that reminded me of a book by Tom DiLorenzo called Hamilton’s Curse. So I read that again and started looking through his references to get to his sources. That’s how I found out about John Taylor of Caroline and his book Tyranny Unmasked. Then I remembered talking to Kenneth Royce about his book Hologram of Liberty and how he called the signers of the Constitution “Founding Lawyers”, so I decided to find out who these guys were and why they were invited to Hamilton’s convention.
      So I guess you could say my sources are Jefferson’s letters, Washington’s letters, Hamilton’s Curse, Hologram of Liberty, and Tyranny Unmasked, plus I constantly pop back and forth in Rothbard’s book Conceived In Liberty and I use Wikipedia to look up names and dates and things like that. I often have 6 or 8 Wikipedia pages open at the same time as I read letters at loc.gov, so I can bounce back and forth and figure out what the authors are talking about.
      Hope that helps,

  3. Jon says:

    History would be a wonderful thing….if only it were true
    -Leo Tolstoy

  4. Andrew says:

    Great podcast, Ben. And especially timely given there are some libertarians out there (at least a few) who not only look back to our own “revolution” with rosy eyes but are cheering on the military coup in Egypt as though it were some radical step towards liberty.

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